Red Alert - Our 1953 USSR
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Negotiate with the workers to end the demonstrations. Agree with lower work quotas and price cuts, but ensure that party dominance is maintained. Offer amnesty on a case-by-case basis. Remove Ulbricht and make sure his successor reflects the Hungarian approach to communism. We should also invest in East Germany to raise their standard of living to prevent another mess like this.
All non-serious criminals should be slowly released by severity from the gulags and given transportation and housing to make new lives. The conditions in the gulags should be improved to reduce the death rate, with better housing and less strenuous work quotas.
Economic cooperation to lift China from its agrarian status. Military cooperation as well. Vietnam as well, considering Ho Chi Minh.
C) Allow a referendum but work to improve standards of living and allow some political freedoms to convince the population to stay with us.
Dear comrades and friends of the Party. Once again, we have convened in order to debate and discuss about what direction the Worker's State oughta take in our eternal struggle towards the teachings of Marx, Engels and Lenin and achieving communism, today, we have several important notes to address:
1. Currently speaking, we oughta take a more careful approach towards the East Germany situation. It has become more than clear that responding with violence shall both lead us nowhere as well as getting painted by the Capitalist powers as the despots they accuse us of being, thus I propose we oughta take the situation with calm and patience, we oughta allow the workers to do their strike so they can feel that they are heard, then we must analyze the situation of the policies of the Politburo in a shared review to see which policies are unproductive, unpopular or both and get rid of them in a public way as to gather support of the German people, as well as replacing them with policies that will actually help in improving both living standards and the economy. It has also become clear the current head of East Germany has not done himself any favors and thus, needs to quietly step down and be replaced with a more reformist like man who can both keep a productive Germany but continue towards the path of socialism.
2. For the Gulags, we oughta have a major review of every case and slow reformation of the Gulags and prison system in general. It has become clear that the current inflated numbers of the gulags can not continue as it is, thus, we need to very much do new inquiries over cases that were very much a case of Stalinist brutality and paranoia but at the same time there are legitimate criminals in there who despite deserving of punishment aren't meant to be treated like this, thus we oughta to reform the prison system to make it more humane while also focusing on rehabilitating inmates, both via political ways by emphasizing communist reading as well as productive activities such as skill learning and teaching, health regimes and public works job where they shall be payed for their jobs, thus being able to at least restart life with a bit of money upon being freed. Of course we realize that such endeavor will take time, thus, we'll begin with the more deserving and less guilty prisoners first and work up our way there.
3. When it comes to Chairman Mao, we have several topics to discuss but chief among them is development and Korea. Despite the failure in fully securing the peninsula, we can yet still prevail in eventually uniting it under socialist brotherhood via a Sino-Soviet development plan to fully modernize and build up the devastated North Korea, focusing on our current model where not only is agriculture modernized and farmers are incentivized but also one where both heavy and light industry are encouraged to supply the people as well as the building of important infrastructures such as ports, houses and especially railways and highways. We of course oughta implement the same plan with our Chinese brothers and share with them the secrets of nuclear weapons to further secure against the West, alongside developing nuclear plants alongside them in order to electrify the country, on the question of foreign policy, we should both continue our funding of Indochinese and Indonesian anti colonial struggles against the Western powers as well as assure Mao of support in case he decides to finally bring Taiwan back to Chinese ownership.
4. On the Austrian question, we oughta do a referendum to see if our Austrian comrades would agree to join up with their socialist brothers in Germany or join up with the rest of Austria, with the added point that they will not join NATO and shall remain neutral country.
1. A mix of @Fratsup and @ruffino.
2. A mix of @Kurd Gossemer and @TheImperialTheorist.
3. A mix of @Kurd Gossemer and @ruffino.
4. C) Allow referendum.
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I'm vehemently against shutting down the gulags since we're gonna need it for the eventual western spies and one more thing... NO DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM FFS!!!
2. A mix of @Kurd Gossemer and @TheImperialTheorist.
3. A mix of @Kurd Gossemer and @ruffino.
4. C) Allow referendum.
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I'm vehemently against shutting down the gulags since we're gonna need it for the eventual western spies and one more thing... NO DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM FFS!!!
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Hey guys I suggest we make the comitern for the communist side and the Socitern for the sydicalist side and the International a UN for the socialist worker of both sides so we can transition into a world government and also get each nation to work together while also not be driven down by the UN capitalist
Imperador Pedro III
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Guys, I would advice strongly against any form of referendum in Austria. You should only call for a referendum you already know you are going to win (Cameron is dumb). Its pretty obvious that Austria isn't going to vote to join the Eastern Bloc, and a very low vote in our favour would be a big humilation for the communist cause in Europe.
Allowing Austria to vote on rejoining West Germany? This is beyond absurd. They would legitimately have you shot if you tried to suggest this in the Politburo. Why would you allow Austria to join a anti-communist resurgent Germany? There's zero benefit to it. Besides, not even the Allies would allow for a new Anchluss.
Instead we should just put cards on the table top down and hand them a neutral Austria, like happened OTL. This will serve to lower tensions of the Cold War.
If we build a Soviet Austria instead it will also be bad, because then the Cold War is going to be hotter and we are going to have to spend much more money on the military, which will break us economically.
Our dream scenario would be for a neutral Germany and a neutral Austria, but this is beyond our reach now. The US isn't dumb.
No referendum please. This will make us look very bad, weak and foolish. We just need an agreement with the West for a neutral Austria.
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1 . Mix of @ ruffino and @Fratsup
2.Mix of @ ruffino and @Fratsup
3.Mix of @ ruffino and @Fratsup
4.Hell No, completely agree with @Imperador Pedro III
2.Mix of @ ruffino and @Fratsup
3.Mix of @ ruffino and @Fratsup
4.Hell No, completely agree with @Imperador Pedro III
Imperador Pedro III
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Besides, even considering the most militaristic scenario of a full scale war between the Warsaw Pact and NATO (which isn't our goal, but needs to be taken in consideration for leverage), a neutral Austria still benefits us much more than a divided Austria.
If Austria is neutral, then is can be overrun pretty quickly by the Warsaw Pact because there will be no NATO bases and no strong military.
If there's a West Austria instead, it will be full of American bases and our advance would be much more complicated. West Austria would be as armed as West Germany.
And what we gain in a divided Austria scenario? Another Berlin Wall to make us look bad an an impoverished backwater to control.
Having control over East Austria isn't going to make us win the Cold War, it would instead makes us lose it earlier.
If Austria is neutral, then is can be overrun pretty quickly by the Warsaw Pact because there will be no NATO bases and no strong military.
If there's a West Austria instead, it will be full of American bases and our advance would be much more complicated. West Austria would be as armed as West Germany.
And what we gain in a divided Austria scenario? Another Berlin Wall to make us look bad an an impoverished backwater to control.
Having control over East Austria isn't going to make us win the Cold War, it would instead makes us lose it earlier.
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The west and west Germany would never accept it, especially considering the Germans were the ones to join the west.
I mean considering the terrain this would only be true in the east since everything else is in the Alps.
Imperador Pedro III
Banned
Anchluss is out of the question, but another try on a neutral Germany would 100% be on the USSR interests.
Nonetheless, I don't think the West trusts the USSR enough for it. Adenauer was also staunchly against a neutral Germany and would veto the deal. He wanted a western alligned Germany under his control, and not a neutral reunified Germany under SD control.
Even if a neutral Germany was realistic, I would still be against it for story porpuses because it makes things too easy for the USSR.
I want to see how a more efficient and smart USSR is going to deal with the big issue that is the Berlin Wall and the Two Germanies, this was the big issue of the Eastern Bloc.
Having to deal with the duality of needing some kind of market reform but also having stand offs with NATO in Central Europe will also be interesting. This would make for a more compelling story.
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Oh I guys I found things about Beria yeah better to kill a rapist and p&do for the sack of the Union oh my god
Imperador Pedro III
Banned
Beria is going to be shot. The chapter said something about death penalties.
He’s already dead he coup the Soviet Union leading to Zhukov to power
Imperador Pedro III
Banned
Regarding East Germany, we need to take a dual approach to it.
We can't allow frontal rebellion against the Soviet Union in any country of the Eastern Bloc, much less Germany. This isn't a leftists commune, we are managing an empire, these countries are under us because we smashed them. So the USSR needs to have a strong hand and keep East Germany down in a political and cultural sense.
On the other hand, East Germany is the window of the communist bloc, is the place where communism meets capitalism. We can't allow East Germany to fall behind West Germany too much, because this undermines the credibility of our system.
East Germany needs to be the laboratory of market reforms that may be too radical to implement just yet in the USSR and the rest of the communist bloc. This will both appease East Germans and diminish the problem of the migration towards West Berlin, which would allow us to be less extreme in relation to the construction of the Berlin Wall.
A reformed East Germany that allows for market socialism would leak much less towards West Berlin and wouldn't need for such a big wall. The Berlin fence doesn't look that bombastic.
Think of our East Germany as "socialism with German characteristics" plus "nothing happened in Pariser Platz"
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This just seems like an impossible task considering we both have to control them while trying to make the nation less tempting than west Germany. Like even if we improve things I doubt most people would want to live under any sort of authoritative government even if its a soft authoritative.
I guess the solution would be to make West Germany worse since that seems easier to do or so I believe.
Imperador Pedro III
Banned
We are going to fail, but if we pursue such a goal we will achieve a better result than what we are previously going to get, which is the inevitable implosion of the Warsaw Pact. There's no good solution for this. East Germany is our ulcer.
How would we make West Germany worse?
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